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Sandy



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:35 pm    Post subject: Show 378

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:44 pm    Post subject:

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first to post and will add more after show

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pacholik



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject:

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Dorsetgal & GeoDog



Joined: 31 Aug 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject:

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First European 6.11am

Thanks for the show!
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Griff Grof



Joined: 31 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:01 am    Post subject:

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Thanks for the show Very Happy

Will post more after I've listened to it Wink Laughing
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Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:50 am    Post subject:

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Very flattered, thanks S,S & s

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Electric Water Boy



Joined: 22 Oct 2008
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Location: Selma, Tx

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:42 am    Post subject:

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Just listened to the show for the 1st time. There is so much geocaching goodness packed in this one that I'm going to have to listen again and take notes to respond to everything. But here are a couple..

It may take all day to get out of Texas, but then why would you want to? Percentage wise, I'm much closer to finding a cache in all 50 states and D. C. than I am to find a cache in all 254 Texas counties.

As for DNF logs, I never delete them. They're just as much a part of the experience as a find log. And besides, I've got some pretty decent DNF logs, I wish more people would take the time to wite them, even if all they did was write "Didn't find it."

And as for the cache owner who got bent out of shape because the reviewer was contacted about his/her cache, the problem would exist had the cache owner done it right to start with. There numerous reasons the reviewer needs to know where the final and all stages re (private property, railroad tracks, schools, military bases, distance to other caches, etc). Some of those reason would be pretty obvious to most anyone, but the fianl for another multi or a puzzle would not.

Looking forward to listening to the show a second time!

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TAZ427



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject:

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Thanks for another great show.

As for the questions regarding DNF logs.

Personally, I don't delete my DNF logs. And I have a number of DNF logs as a member of ISAG (I suck at geocaching - facebook group.) Sometimes the DNF's are because ISAG, but often it's due to cache having been muggled.

I usually pay attention to the caches that I DNF'd and go back if/when it's updated and/or found again by other cachers. I haven't actually made a list of those, but as mentioned one could easily use GSAK to do this. One great GSAK macro for this is 'CalendarReport'
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e6c



Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:08 pm    Post subject:

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In response to MSWeber's question, I do think you owe the CO an apology. There are lots of caches that are not listed properly and many times it is intentional. Some of groundspeak's rules are ridiculous. (see contest from last month). Often hiding a cache in a cool and creative way means breaking a rule or two. A multi listed as a traditional... I've done that when one of the way points was too close to another cache.

Next time you come across something that doesn't seem right, don't rat the hider out! There are too many creative hiders out there that have become frustrated and given up because of rule violations!

Two of my favorite caches (an amazing reverse geocache/travel bug and a cache where you got a free beer from a micro brewery) have been archived because some tattled to the reviewer.

So, long story short, if you want to kill creativity keep on tattling!

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hallycat



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Answers to show questions

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Should not have ratted the CO out. Send an email first, maybe they didn't know. Nobody likes a tattle tale.

I never delete a DNF log, in my found log I usually put that I am rectifying a DNF, or several DNF's. If the cache was replaced because it was in fact missing I thank the CO for replacing it.

ETA you can put DNF caches on your watchlist, good way to keep track of them.

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Big Doggie and Lil Pup



Joined: 06 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject:

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To the Antarctic travel bug cacher

There are several countries that have a presence in Antarctica - New Zealand, Australia, Great Britain, US and more. I don't know if it would pay off to find message boards with these groups. For whatever it is worth here are the websites of the British and US programs

British Antarctic Survey - http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/

US Antarctic Program - http://www.antarctica.ac.uk

Good luck getting your father's item down there as a travel bug.

Don't forget to laminate cardstock with the printed goal and explanation on it.

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MSWeber



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject:

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We tossed and turned for days after seeing the reviewer's response and the owners venting. Our first thought was to send the owner a message, however, there were logs (Owners see all the logs because they are emailed to them!!!!) that clearly stated that it should be a multi. If it's OK to break the rules about the type of cache, is it OK to break the rules about terrain? We would hate to see a wheel chair bound cacher trek out to a cache only to find that it does not have wheel chair access or a kid friendly cache that puts the little ones in danger. We value everyone's opinion, so please tell us what you would have done!

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ChildOfAtom



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:03 pm    Post subject:

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e6c, I gotta say that is not a good attitude to have. I won't pretend that I agree with all of Groundspeak's rules but to intentionally flout them for the sake of "creativity" seems disingenuous and a poor example to set. If you are unhappy with Groundspeak's restrictions take your cache elsewhere. There's half a dozen other listing services with more lax restrictions, but if you want to list a cache at GC.com the least you can do is respect their rules.

I've had my fair share of run-ins with reviewers, and some rulings have gone my way after explaining myself and some haven't, but I understand that it's Groundspeak's ballgame if I want to be listed there, so I respected the rulings in the end.
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e6c



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject:

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ChildOfAtom... you play the game your way, I play it mine.

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Electric Water Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:24 pm    Post subject:

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e6c wrote:
ChildOfAtom... you play the game your way, I play it mine.


With that said, you can be mad at the cacher who ratted out the caches to the reviewer because that cacher was playing their game.

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